Mail start supertraag op

Ik begrijp iets niet: op mijn iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017) start Mail zo traag op, dat ik gewoon een kopje koffie kan zetten voordat het openingsscherm zich ontvouwt; op mijn MacBook Air (Retina, 13-inch, 2020) start Mail wel direct op! Wat zou ik moeten doen om mijn iMac van dat vertragingseuvel te verlossen? 't Is echt heel irritant. Iemand een idee? Ik werk met Monterey, op beide macs.
Thnx!

https://support.apple.com/nl-nl/guide/mail/mlhlp1227/mac

Bedankt voor de tip, maar - helaas! - het hielp niet…

Allereerst ga ik er vanuit dat je de allerlaatste macOS updates hebt geïnstalleerd. Monterey is net uit en nog niet geheel bugvrij, zelfs niet met de laatste 12.0.1 update. De 12.1 update mogen we zelfs al een dezer dagen verwachten, aangezien de 2e beta al enige dagen geleden het daglicht zag. Daarnaast bleek Monterey tot nu eigenlijk meer geschikt voor M1 Macs, dan oudere Intel types. Maar dat zou grotendeels door de 12.0.1 update verholpen moeten zijn.

That being said…

Kun je – nadat je Mail hebt afgesloten – de map :house: → Library/Bibliotheek → Mail eens naar je bureaublad verplaatsen en Mail opnieuw opstarten? Start Mail nu wel snel op?. In dat geval kun je de mailboxen in geval van IMAP opbieuw toevoegen, en in geval van POP3 opnieuw importren uit de map Mail map op je dektop.

Je kan snel naar de bibliotheek-map in je homefolder gaan door de option/alt toets ingedrukt te houden als je in de Finder op Ga/Go klikt. je kan er ook komen door ⌘⇧L in te typen

Veel dank voor de tips, Night, maar ook die hielpen me niet: mail map opnieuw aangemaakt, alles opnieuw geïndexeerd, maar het is er alleen maar trager door geworden… Snap er niets van, het moet 'm volgens mij zitten in een venijnig instellings-dingetje dat ik maar niet kan traceren. Vervelend.

Misschien kun je een EtreCheck report maken en dat hier (als PDF) plaatsen. Wellicht dat we dan nog een mogelijke boosdoener kunnen vinden.

https://etrecheck.com/

't Is een hele waslijst, maar goed, hoer komt-ie:EtreCheck version: 4.3.2 (4D034)
Report generated: 2021-11-14 17:04:54
Download EtreCheck from https://etrecheck.com
Runtime: 6:11
Performance: Below Average

Problem: Computer is too slow

Major Issues:
Anything that appears on this list needs immediate attention.
System Integrity Protection disabled - System Integrity Protection is disabled. This computer is at risk of malware infection.
Low disk space - This machine is running critically low on free hard drive space.

Minor Issues:
These issues do not need immediate attention but they may indicate future problems.
Heavy network usage - This machine has recently restarted and has high network usage.
Clean up - There are orphan files that could be removed.
Unsigned files - There is unsigned software installed. They appear to be legitimate but should be reviewed.
System modifications - There are a large number of system modifications running in the background.
Low performance - EtreCheck report took over 5 minutes to run. This is unusual.
32-bit Apps - This machine has 32-bits apps that may have problems in the future.
Abnormal shutdown - Your machine shut down abnormally.

Hardware Information:
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017)
iMac Model: iMac18,3
1 3,8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5 (i5-7600K) CPU: 4-core
32 RAM - Upgradeable
BANK 0/DIMM0 - 8 GB DDR4 SO-DIMM 2400 ok
BANK 0/DIMM1 - 8 GB DDR4 SO-DIMM 2400 ok
BANK 1/DIMM0 - 8 GB DDR4 SO-DIMM 2400 ok
BANK 1/DIMM1 - 8 GB DDR4 SO-DIMM 2400 ok
Video Information:
Radeon Pro 580 - VRAM: 8 GB
iMac

Drives:
disk0 - APPLE SSD SM1024L 1.00 TB (Solid State - TRIM: Yes)
Internal PCI-Express 8.0 GT/s x4 NVM Express
disk0s1 - EFI (MS-DOS FAT32) [EFI] 315 MB
disk0s2 1.00 TB
disk1s1 - M***********s (APFS) 1.00 TB (621.55 GB used)
disk1s2 - Preboot (APFS) [APFS Preboot] 1.00 TB (1.83 GB used)
disk1s3 - Recovery (APFS) [Recovery] 1.00 TB (1.61 GB used)
disk1s4 - VM (APFS) [APFS VM] 1.00 TB (3.22 GB used)
disk1s5 - M
s (APFS) 1.00 TB (15.77 GB used)
disk1s6 - U****e (Case-sensitive APFS) 1.00 TB (13 MB used)

disk2 - Disk Image 1.90 TB (Disk Image)
External Disk Image
disk2s1 - EFI (MS-DOS FAT32) [EFI] 210 MB
disk2s2 1.90 TB
disk3s1 - R**********************c (Case-sensitive APFS) 1.90 TB (594.29 GB used)

disk3 - Disk Image 1.90 TB (Disk Image)
External Disk Image
disk3s1 - R**********************c (Case-sensitive APFS) 1.90 TB (594.29 GB used)

Mounted Volumes:
disk1s1 - M***********************s 1.00 TB
APFS
Mount point: /System/Volumes/Data

disk1s2 - Preboot [APFS Preboot] 1.00 TB
APFS
Mount point: /System/Volumes/Preboot

disk1s4 - VM [APFS VM] 1.00 TB
APFS
Mount point: /System/Volumes/VM

disk1s5s1 - M************s 1.00 TB
APFS
Mount point: /

disk1s6 - U****e 1.00 TB
Case-sensitive APFS
Mount point: /System/Volumes/Update

disk3s1 - R**********************c 1.90 TB
Case-sensitive APFS
Mount point: /Volumes/Reservekopieën van iMac

Network:
Interface en0: Ethernet
One IPv4 address
2 IPv6 addresses
Interface en1: Wi-Fi
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
One IPv4 address
2 IPv6 addresses

System Software:
10.17.2 10.17.2 (21C5031d)
Time since boot: About 4 hours
System Load: 1.99 (1 min ago) 1.98 (5 min ago) 2.07 (15 min ago)

Security:
System Status
Gatekeeper Mac App Store and identified developers
System Integrity Protection disabled

Unsigned Files:
Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.torrents-time.helper.plist
Executable: /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/com.torrents-time.helper
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/PT.updd.plist
Executable: /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/PT.updd
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.spyresoft.dockmod.helper.plist
Executable: /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/com.spyresoft.dockmod.helper
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchAgents/com.maintain.ShutDown.plist
Executable: /usr/bin/osascript -e delay 3 -e try -e do shell script “killall Cocktail” -e end try -e ignoring application responses -e try -e tell application “System Events” to shut down -e end try -e end ignoring
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchAgents/com.maintain.Restart.plist
Executable: /usr/bin/osascript -e delay 3 -e try -e do shell script “killall Cocktail” -e end try -e ignoring application responses -e try -e tell application “System Events” to restart -e end try -e end ignoring
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK
Launchd: /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.bombich.ccc.plist
Executable: /Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/com.bombich.ccc
Details: Exact match found in the whitelist - probably OK

32-bit Applications:
3 32-bit apps

Kernel Extensions:
/Library/Application Support/Roxio
[Not Loaded] TDIXController.kext (2.0)

/Library/Extensions
[Not Loaded] SystemAudioRecorder.kext (1.1.0 - SDK 10.9)
[Not Loaded] RBIOKitHelper.kext (1.27 - SDK 10.9)
[Not Loaded] klif.kext (3.0.4a41)
[Not Loaded] klnke.kext (1.6)

System Launch Agents:
[Not Loaded] 9 Apple tasks
[Loaded] 178 Apple tasks
[Running] 160 Apple tasks
[Other] One Apple task

System Launch Daemons:
[Not Loaded] 34 Apple tasks
[Loaded] 190 Apple tasks
[Running] 149 Apple tasks
[Other] One Apple task

Launch Agents:
[Loaded] com.google.keystone.xpcservice.plist (Google, Inc. - installed 2021-08-26)
[Running] no.scsc.FolderGlanceMenuExtra.plist (? 403e4d3 - installed 2016-04-21)
[Running] com.microsoft.OneDriveStandaloneUpdater.plist (Microsoft Corporation - installed 2021-08-26)
[Loaded] com.microsoft.update.agent.plist (Microsoft Corporation - installed 2021-10-13)
[Running] com.adobe.GC.AGM.plist (Adobe Inc. - installed 2021-10-12)
[Other] com.adobe.ARMDCHelper.cc24aef4a1b90ed56a725c38014c95072f92651fb65e1bf9c8e43c37a23d420d.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2021-09-28)
[Not Loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist (Google, Inc. - installed 2021-08-26)
[Not Loaded] com.maintain.Restart.plist (? 5421a7fd - installed 2021-11-04)
[Running] no.scsc.FolderGlanceLoader.plist (? 34252c52 - installed 2016-04-21)
[Not Loaded] com.adobe.GC.Invoker-1.0.plist (Adobe Inc. - installed 2021-10-12)
[Not Loaded] com.maintain.ShutDown.plist (? 9b7e817c - installed 2021-11-04)

Launch Daemons:
[Running] PT.updd.plist (? 0 - installed 2021-06-30)
[Running] com.microsoft.OneDriveStandaloneUpdaterDaemon.plist (Microsoft Corporation - installed 2021-08-26)
[Other] com.nordvpn.osx.helper.plist (? 0 - installed 2021-01-03)
[Running] com.sonos.SonosLibraryServer.plist (Sonos, Inc. - installed 2021-09-25)
[Loaded] com.macenhance.cDock.Injector.plist (wolfgang baird - installed 2021-10-14)
[Loaded] com.charlessoft.pacifist.helper.plist (Charles Srstka - installed 2019-02-18)
[Loaded] com.adobe.ARMDC.Communicator.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2021-08-11)
[Loaded] com.adobe.acc.installer.v2.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2018-06-28)
[Loaded] com.bombich.ccchelper.plist (Bombich Software, Inc. - installed 2017-12-28)
[Loaded] com.microsoft.teams.TeamsUpdaterDaemon.plist (Microsoft Corporation - installed 2021-02-09)
[Loaded] com.parallels.toolbox.CleanDriveHelper.plist (Parallels International GmbH - installed 2021-05-01)
[Loaded] com.w0lf.dbcolor.plist (Apple - installed 2021-11-04)
[Not Loaded] com.maintain.HideSpotlightMenuBarIcon.plist (Apple - installed 2021-11-04)
[Loaded] com.bresink.system.securityagent3a.plist (? 74fdc71a - installed 2013-10-25)
[Loaded] com.bombich.ccc.plist (? 41245744 - installed 2013-12-31)
[Loaded] com.google.keystone.daemon.plist (Google, Inc. - installed 2021-08-26)
[Running] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac4.Agent.plist (MacPaw Inc. - installed 2021-02-26)
[Loaded] com.adobe.agsservice.plist (Adobe Inc. - installed 2021-10-12)
[Loaded] com.microsoft.OneDriveUpdaterDaemon.plist (Microsoft Corporation - installed 2018-12-27)
[Loaded] net.freemacsoft.LiteIcon.LIHelperTool.plist (Julien Ramseier - installed 2019-10-17)
[Running] com.torrents-time.helper.plist (? 0 - installed 2017-02-07)
[Loaded] com.microsoft.autoupdate.helper.plist (Microsoft Corporation - installed 2021-10-13)
[Loaded] com.w0lf.cDock.Injector.plist (wolfgang baird - installed 2020-08-06)
[Loaded] com.microsoft.office.licensingV2.helper.plist (Microsoft Corporation - installed 2020-07-13)
[Loaded] com.spyresoft.dockmod.helper.plist (? f3cd8ca8 - installed 2015-05-26)
[Loaded] com.adobe.ARMDC.SMJobBlessHelper.plist (Adobe Systems, Inc. - installed 2021-08-11)
[Loaded] com.w0lf.cDock.Installer.plist (wolfgang baird - installed 2020-08-06)
[Loaded] com.macenhance.MacForge.Injector.plist (wolfgang baird - installed 2020-10-01)

User Launch Agents:
[Loaded] com.DigiDNA.iMazing2Mac.Mini.plist (DigiDNA SARL - installed 2021-11-03)
[Not Loaded] com.maintain.ShowUserLibraryDirectory.plist (Apple - installed 2021-11-04)
[Not Loaded] com.adobe.GC.Invoker-1.0.plist (Adobe Inc. - installed 2021-10-12)
[Loaded] com.macpaw.CleanMyMac4.Updater.plist (MacPaw Inc. - installed 2021-11-12)

User Login Items:
BetterTouchTool App (Andreas Hegenberg - installed 2021-11-12)
(/Users/***/Applications/BetterTouchTool.app)
CheatSheet App (Stefan Fuerst - installed 2021-02-21)
(/Applications/CheatSheet.app)
Dashlane App (Mac App Store - installed 2021-10-29)
(/Applications/Dashlane.localized/Dashlane.app)

Internet Plug-ins:
MeetingJoinPlugin: 1.0 (installed 2019-05-13)
Silverlight: 5.1.50901.0 (installed 2017-03-22)
RL Secure Plug-In Layer: (installed 2016-11-16)
SharePointBrowserPlugin: 14.4.9 (installed 2015-04-18)

3rd Party Preference Panes:
FolderGlancePrefs (installed 2016-04-21)
Quicktime X Preferences (installed 2010-01-24)

Time Machine:
Skip System Files: No
Mobile backups: No
Auto backup: Yes
Volumes being backed up:
Destinations:
A************f [Network] (Last used)
Total size: 759.05 GB
Total number of backups: 14
Oldest backup: 2021-11-11 13:04:04
Last backup: 2021-11-14 14:36:11

Top Processes by CPU:
Process (count) Source % of CPU Location
kernel_task Apple 16
WindowServer Apple 5
diskimagesiod Apple 2
mds Apple 2
coreaudiod Apple 1

Top Processes by Memory:
Process (count) Source RAM usage Location
mds_stores Apple 321 MB
MTLCompilerService (9) Apple 233 MB
corespotlightd Apple 187 MB
BetterTouchTool (2) Andreas Hegenberg 164 MB
suggestd Apple 146 MB

Top Processes by Network Use:
Process Source Input Output Location
kernel_task Apple 2.87 GB20.24 GB
mDNSResponder Apple 5 MB 350 KB
apsd Apple 410 KB 212 KB
CalendarAgent Apple 250 KB 63 KB
exchangesyncd Apple 242 KB 43 KB

Top Processes by Energy Use:
Process (count) Source Energy (0-100) Location
WindowServer Apple 6
ScreenSaverEngine Apple 3
coreaudiod Apple 2
mds Apple 1
diskimagesiod Apple 1

Virtual Memory Information:
Available RAM 24.74 GB
Free RAM 4.47 GB
Used RAM 7.26 GB
Cached files 20.28 GB
Swap Used 0 B

Software Installs (past 30 days):
Name Version Install Date
Mail for Gmail 1.1.1 2021-10-18
Google Drive 1.3.16.180 2021-10-25
PhotoSweeper 4.2.0 2021-10-29
Dashlane 6.2142.0 2021-10-29
Ghostery Lite 1.2.0 2021-11-01
Ghostery – Privacy Ad Blocker 2.0.0 2021-11-01
Friendly Streaming 5.9.13 2021-11-04
Twitter 8.90.1 2021-11-09
MRTConfigData 1.85 2021-11-09
Spark 2.11.6 2021-11-12
Airmail 5.1 2021-11-12
Typing Fingers LT 6.5.2 2021-11-14

Clean up:
/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.nordvpn.osx.helper.plist
/Library/PrivilegedHelperTools/com.nordvpn.osx.helper
Executable not found

Diagnostics Information (past 7 days):
2021-11-14 12:40:07 Last Shutdown Cause: 3 - Hard shutdown

End of report

Je disk is (bijna) vol.
Dat zou de problemen kunnen verklaren.

Kun je wat zaken verwijderen?

En CleanMyMac, tja, …

Ik begrijp niet waarom EtreCheck zegt dat mijn disk bijna vol is: Schermafbeelding 2021-11-14 om 17.58.29

Dit zijn toch allemaal zaken die niet lekker klinken.

Waarom heb je SIP uitgezet bijvoorbeeld?

En ik zie een hoop “rotzooi” onder je Launch Daemons staan.

Clean install dan maar?
(SIP omdat ik m’n icons wil kunnen aanpassen…) :wink:

Goed idee.

Voor iedereen die - net als ik - toch wel een beetje opziet tegen een clean install (erg veel werk), hierbij de oplossing voor het probleem van een traag startende Mail (nota bene een tip van mezelf, want ik liep al eerder tegen dit probleem op en toen vond ik - een beetje per ongeluk - de oplossing): zó simpel dat ik me eigenlijk met terugwerkende kracht een beetje schaam: klik naar users//Library/Application Support/Mail/plug-ins/Library/Mail/Bundles en daar staat-ie, hoor: Properties.plst. Weggooien, herstarten et voilá!

Daarmee is je trage mail probleem opgelost. Gefeliciteerd! :slight_smile:

Wat blijft, is de rotzooi op je Mac, die wellicht voor je volgende probleem gaat zorgen. Met andere woorden, een keer opruimen is misschien nog niet zo’n slecht idee.

Mooi dat je zelf de oplossing hebt gevonden :+1:
Ik heb de betreffende post als ‘Oplossing’ gemarkeerd, zodat toekomstige bezoekers met hetzelfde probleem het juiste antwoord gemakkelijk kunnen terugvinden.